bugsbunny
04-19 11:36 AM
Fully agree with each word you said. Many people with legit US education (not TVU kind that many not so educated people on this forum are taking shelter under the umbra of) who have been in the US for more than 10 years are still lawfully waiting in the line. And this idiot with a BCOM and MCA ( correspondence course from IGNOU) is dreaming of porting into EB2 and screw us up. Shame on USCIS and Shame on DOL. I am really concerned that if legit EB2 applicants don't talk to lawmakers and send emails to USCIS, we will be stuck here for years due to these fradulent porting.
I don't get why you are so affected by this?
First its not porting...its a new EB2 application
It should make no difference to your precious application and position in the line as you are supposedly already EB2.
The only people that are affected are EB3...why are you up in arms?
I don't get why you are so affected by this?
First its not porting...its a new EB2 application
It should make no difference to your precious application and position in the line as you are supposedly already EB2.
The only people that are affected are EB3...why are you up in arms?
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gc_on_demand
06-10 10:39 AM
Call.. nothing to loose to call..
JazzByTheBay
12-13 05:12 PM
I would rather have 10,000 members paying $100/year (that's *less than $25/month, btw... :) ), than 25,000 forum browsers... no offense meant.
For those comparing IV with free web-based services like Google/Yahoo/Hotmail/others.... you probably don't grasp the idea behind IV, and this is precisely one of the reasons why a membership-based organization is desirable... :
- IV is no gmail or hotmail
- We don't get advertising revenue,
- Nor have we gone IPO like Google/Microsoft/Yahoo (neither can we... :)
- Nor are we funded by wealthy VCs
- Nor is this a "business model"
- and Nor do Google/Microsoft/Yahoo care about your immigration woes... .
Bottomline - we're not a business, we're a non-profit organization - that needs funds for operations and lobbying efforts. There are normal operational needs that are taken care of by membership dues in most organizations. There are special one-time needs that are taken care of by funding drives.
So let's rise up above this madness...
Once again:
- If you've already contributed, you won't be asked again (fot a year at least... :)
- If you can't pay membership dues, you can volunteer
jazz
Highly skilled immigrants (highly paid professionals too) fretting about 25 USD per month and that too for a cause which directly affects their dignity, their professional career and in the long term their quest for a happy and fulfilling life.
Somebody also used the term 'commercialization' before even reading through IV's agenda which clearly includes the phrase 'Non profit organization'.
Aman Kapoor invested thousands of dollars to fight for this cause in terms of money and time, and yet some people flinch in horror at the thought of contributing 25 dollars per month.
As I have always said and will repeatedly say '10000 active and committed members are better than 25000 fence sitters/free loaders.'
For those comparing IV with free web-based services like Google/Yahoo/Hotmail/others.... you probably don't grasp the idea behind IV, and this is precisely one of the reasons why a membership-based organization is desirable... :
- IV is no gmail or hotmail
- We don't get advertising revenue,
- Nor have we gone IPO like Google/Microsoft/Yahoo (neither can we... :)
- Nor are we funded by wealthy VCs
- Nor is this a "business model"
- and Nor do Google/Microsoft/Yahoo care about your immigration woes... .
Bottomline - we're not a business, we're a non-profit organization - that needs funds for operations and lobbying efforts. There are normal operational needs that are taken care of by membership dues in most organizations. There are special one-time needs that are taken care of by funding drives.
So let's rise up above this madness...
Once again:
- If you've already contributed, you won't be asked again (fot a year at least... :)
- If you can't pay membership dues, you can volunteer
jazz
Highly skilled immigrants (highly paid professionals too) fretting about 25 USD per month and that too for a cause which directly affects their dignity, their professional career and in the long term their quest for a happy and fulfilling life.
Somebody also used the term 'commercialization' before even reading through IV's agenda which clearly includes the phrase 'Non profit organization'.
Aman Kapoor invested thousands of dollars to fight for this cause in terms of money and time, and yet some people flinch in horror at the thought of contributing 25 dollars per month.
As I have always said and will repeatedly say '10000 active and committed members are better than 25000 fence sitters/free loaders.'
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chicago60607
09-17 01:47 PM
Roll call for quorum, lots of people yet to return
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eb3_nepa
02-05 09:41 PM
I totally agree with you viva...
Is this a solution to retrogression?
Oh my god...
USCIS please let our spouses work and take as much time as you want to give us the green card we are not in a hurry!!!!
How can anyone come up with these un realistic solutions man.
True true true This persons intension is not a GC but make money...
Please let us not go further into this, let us prepare ourselfs to fight for the I-485 provision that IV is working on..
We shall overcome
First off, i have mentioned above that this is NOT a solution to retrogression. Secondly, the USCIS does not care what we say to them, they are going to take exactly how much time they want to take to process our Green cards. All I was suggesting was, we ask for interim relief. Now like Logiclife mentioned we are trying for smaller bits of interim relief and that is a reasonable answer. However please do not make remarks like "this person is here to make money and is not after GC". Are we not all after making money? Is that not why we want GCs? We certainly dont want the GC to frame it and keep it next to our other trophies do we? Then why are people accusing me of wanting to "make money"? The problem with some people on this forum is the lack of respect for an alternate view. It is one thing to disagree and it is another to make ridiculous off topic remarks about what someone said.
Is this a solution to retrogression?
Oh my god...
USCIS please let our spouses work and take as much time as you want to give us the green card we are not in a hurry!!!!
How can anyone come up with these un realistic solutions man.
True true true This persons intension is not a GC but make money...
Please let us not go further into this, let us prepare ourselfs to fight for the I-485 provision that IV is working on..
We shall overcome
First off, i have mentioned above that this is NOT a solution to retrogression. Secondly, the USCIS does not care what we say to them, they are going to take exactly how much time they want to take to process our Green cards. All I was suggesting was, we ask for interim relief. Now like Logiclife mentioned we are trying for smaller bits of interim relief and that is a reasonable answer. However please do not make remarks like "this person is here to make money and is not after GC". Are we not all after making money? Is that not why we want GCs? We certainly dont want the GC to frame it and keep it next to our other trophies do we? Then why are people accusing me of wanting to "make money"? The problem with some people on this forum is the lack of respect for an alternate view. It is one thing to disagree and it is another to make ridiculous off topic remarks about what someone said.
lucas
07-14 05:52 PM
Signed, well deserved for the antipathetic old man.
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singhsa3
08-19 02:07 PM
Congratulations on your citizenship. I am happy for you.
But, in what ways can you help? I very curious to know. I have been following your post and so far I am still optimistic for your grand help that you have been talking about through out.
I would like to help my fellow legal immigrants.
But, in what ways can you help? I very curious to know. I have been following your post and so far I am still optimistic for your grand help that you have been talking about through out.
I would like to help my fellow legal immigrants.
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logiclife
02-01 12:25 PM
A lot of people are responsible for these happenings and a lot of people are responsible for exposing all this. Its not one person or one organization here in play.
Read the John Miano's testimony in Congress in July 2006. Do a google search and see.
There are people like him who have dedicated serious time and effort in exposing the misuse of H1B by a few bad apples and then use them to paint the entire H1B program as evil and unneccesary.
And no, we are not responsible for this.
The companies that exploit and the DOL that looks the other way when this happens, and the AILA that goes in lockstep with exploiting employers are responsible.
Read the John Miano's testimony in Congress in July 2006. Do a google search and see.
There are people like him who have dedicated serious time and effort in exposing the misuse of H1B by a few bad apples and then use them to paint the entire H1B program as evil and unneccesary.
And no, we are not responsible for this.
The companies that exploit and the DOL that looks the other way when this happens, and the AILA that goes in lockstep with exploiting employers are responsible.
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santb1975
12-01 03:26 PM
I was thinking about this today.
All great Ideas and we are never short of Ideas on this website. However, we are always short of commited people who are willing to put in time and make their Ideas become a reality. We sure are 25,000 real members and If each of us commit 10$ every month diligently we have a consistent cash flow of $250,000 every month and committing 10$ every month is not hard at all. All of us in here are highly skilled, we all have decent paying jobs and we are definately not cheap labor because we have US Department of Labor (DOL) certifying our salary before we take up any Job in this great land.
Would you be willing to the lead on making your Ideas become a reality. We have very few highly committed members in here who can provide support and guidance.
We have already guided a few people on how to donate amounts less than the ones that are posted on this website and it is really simple. Any amount can be sent in as a donation through paypal to donations@immigrationvoice.org
Folks,
I know many of you may have already thought about this at some point. I'll lay out my views on the donations...IV can object/correct.
I'm following the donations thread along with many of you and there is not much to be excited there.2000$ in 2 weeks....for all the Agenda that pappu has posted. I understand that everyone(including me)...will have limited resources at our disposal every month...may it be mortgage/daycare/medical/school or those unexpected repairs...so the bottom line is there is not much room to increase our monthly contributions or...holiday contributions.
I was thinking...we are 25000 'real' people...and there are more than one visit by each person to this site.
1. Can IV use any space to advertise...so that IV can get some AD Money?
2. Is it possible to get some space on popular pro-immigrant or immigrant driven websites...to donate to our cause?
3. Would it be possible to split the donation denominations further down...like 5 dollars..or even low..so that all immigrants...including people who got the GC's/Citizenship can contribute with out looking deeper into their pockets.
4. Optional....ebay/paypal donation to the peoples questions/answers...Mind you it is totally optional...if you want to donate 5/10/20/100...or how important the question is and hw satisfied the person is with the information...etc
5. DOnation boxes at Immigrant owned grocery stores...with out compromising their principles
Folks, I have layed them out with good intentions...and have also given a thought of what I personally can do for each point above...I'm not expecting the vultures to prey...on the post with mundane comments.
Regards.
All great Ideas and we are never short of Ideas on this website. However, we are always short of commited people who are willing to put in time and make their Ideas become a reality. We sure are 25,000 real members and If each of us commit 10$ every month diligently we have a consistent cash flow of $250,000 every month and committing 10$ every month is not hard at all. All of us in here are highly skilled, we all have decent paying jobs and we are definately not cheap labor because we have US Department of Labor (DOL) certifying our salary before we take up any Job in this great land.
Would you be willing to the lead on making your Ideas become a reality. We have very few highly committed members in here who can provide support and guidance.
We have already guided a few people on how to donate amounts less than the ones that are posted on this website and it is really simple. Any amount can be sent in as a donation through paypal to donations@immigrationvoice.org
Folks,
I know many of you may have already thought about this at some point. I'll lay out my views on the donations...IV can object/correct.
I'm following the donations thread along with many of you and there is not much to be excited there.2000$ in 2 weeks....for all the Agenda that pappu has posted. I understand that everyone(including me)...will have limited resources at our disposal every month...may it be mortgage/daycare/medical/school or those unexpected repairs...so the bottom line is there is not much room to increase our monthly contributions or...holiday contributions.
I was thinking...we are 25000 'real' people...and there are more than one visit by each person to this site.
1. Can IV use any space to advertise...so that IV can get some AD Money?
2. Is it possible to get some space on popular pro-immigrant or immigrant driven websites...to donate to our cause?
3. Would it be possible to split the donation denominations further down...like 5 dollars..or even low..so that all immigrants...including people who got the GC's/Citizenship can contribute with out looking deeper into their pockets.
4. Optional....ebay/paypal donation to the peoples questions/answers...Mind you it is totally optional...if you want to donate 5/10/20/100...or how important the question is and hw satisfied the person is with the information...etc
5. DOnation boxes at Immigrant owned grocery stores...with out compromising their principles
Folks, I have layed them out with good intentions...and have also given a thought of what I personally can do for each point above...I'm not expecting the vultures to prey...on the post with mundane comments.
Regards.
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yawl
02-13 02:43 PM
Thank you for the post. Please add it the front page so that it won't be buried under those rants with nothing but frustrating feelings.
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Raju
07-19 04:29 PM
Guys I know a lot of us contributed, please urge your friends, tell that what IV has achieved and the efforts/time/money spent by IV core. I am sure you will be able to convince atleast one of your friends.
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priti8888
10-16 06:24 PM
How do we know we're stuck in the namecheck process?
Does the on-line status state that the application is in the namecheck 'phase' or something to that effect?
Thanks,
NO..online status wont chnage.
U can either call the 1-800 # or make an infopass appointment 4-6 Months after your first FP. If u plan to call, make sure u call 3-4 times because you might get conflicting info
Does the on-line status state that the application is in the namecheck 'phase' or something to that effect?
Thanks,
NO..online status wont chnage.
U can either call the 1-800 # or make an infopass appointment 4-6 Months after your first FP. If u plan to call, make sure u call 3-4 times because you might get conflicting info
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rockstart
06-11 09:46 AM
Since they will be a party to this along with you it is better you talk to them and make sure they assist you properly. Also was your insurance at that time conforming to state minimum requirements if that is the case then you can breathe easy since you had done everything that law asked you to do so hopefully there is no criminal case against you. Worst if court ask's you to pay financially you can declare bankruptcy and minimize the impact. I am sure that does not affect GC. But rather than forum you need a good attorney to talk to. Make sure who ever you select to talk to about this accident case you arrange a meeting between this lawyer and your immigration lawyer so that both are well aware of situation.
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grinch
06-02 01:24 PM
Why the hell wouldn't you let the iBoy version in? It's pretty sweet. The only thing I'd suggest is fixing the proportions for the buttons, there a little out of wack.
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walking_dude
04-26 11:56 PM
Newer version is - as should've been expected - more protectionist than before.
1) It prohibits H1B workers from working in contract positions.There is a redundant provision for the L1 visa as well (there is already a law which does this for L1). However it doesn't prevent American companies from keeping these contract workers in India or elsewhere and co-ordinate the work through web-conferencing, video conferencing, VPN/VNC etc.
2) It increases H1B fees by another 1000 dollars. There will be the added cost of advertising on DOL website. Also, the legal costs of navigating the audits. It also enables Tort attorneys to sue the companies on behalf of labor unions such as IEEE-USA, PG, Bright Future Jobs, Zazona etc. In essence it makes the whole visa program unviable. American companies cannot participate in the visa program without letting the DOL and the Tort attorneys poking their noses in the daily functioning of Corporate America. Imagine which company will apply for H1B when you'll have ads airing on TV from Tort attorneys - 'Have you been displaced by H1B worker? Call 1-800-TORT-ATTORNEY'?
3) It has a whole gamut of so-called 'H1B/L1B worker protections'. Unless and until the complaining foreign worker's visa status/GC status is protected against employer retaliation, these provisions will remain only on paper, as foreigner workers facing the prospect of forced departure from the country will not complain - extra worker protections or not. They might as well scrap these provisions and save some trees in the process!
4) It retains the provision that H1B/L1 worker must be provided all originals for H1B, Green Card etc. However this will be moot, as there won't be many H1B/L1 workers left in the US to take the benefit. They would already have moved to their home countries, brining the salaries down in their home countries die to excess supply. This combined with technical enablers are going to make outsourcing HOT. I think it's a good time to invest in the stocks of these outsourcing companies. Their returns are going to increase exponentially in a year. I am not surprised, if these companies send a 'Thank You' note to Senators Durbin and Grassley for making such a windfall possible.
If this year only 44,000 visas were used after half a month, wait until this law passes. There will already 10,000 or less visa applications. On a short term basis wages will sky-rocket, when companies are already struggling to make the ends meet. This will definitely make the usage of technological innovations such as the ones mentioned in point 1 more appealing to the companies. In the long run Outsourcing will become cheaper and more attractive.
Faced with accute worker shortage and unreasonably high-salaries driven scarcity in an economy under recession, Companies will have only 3 options. 1) Announce bankruptcy and get out of business salvaging what they can 2) Leverage technology to do outsourcing circumventing the need for visas 3) Beg the government for another 'Stimulus' and more borrowed money from the Chinese to pay the salaries.
This will hit hard the humanitarian immigration for refugees, asylees etc. USCIS is a government department run on visa application fees. As H1B fee-base reduces US government will have to appropriate more funds to USCIS to keep these programs running. The cost of these programmes will increasingly be borne by the American tax-payer. As jobs keep getting outsourced at a much faster speed tax-base formed by these H1B/L1 workers will shift to other economies benefiting them, the government will have to increases the taxes to make up for the difference. No doubt this will increase the tax burden on an average American - even those who had nothing to do with H1B, pro- or against.
The day this law passes will be a great day for Outsourcing, and a sad day for America.
Please stop H1 Vs L1 discussion and do not support those who aim to divide this community on various visa types, categories, nationalities etc. Any further attempts by any member in this direction will result in ban. We would appreciate if you read the bill posted by IV and provide some analysis on its content on this thread.
1) It prohibits H1B workers from working in contract positions.There is a redundant provision for the L1 visa as well (there is already a law which does this for L1). However it doesn't prevent American companies from keeping these contract workers in India or elsewhere and co-ordinate the work through web-conferencing, video conferencing, VPN/VNC etc.
2) It increases H1B fees by another 1000 dollars. There will be the added cost of advertising on DOL website. Also, the legal costs of navigating the audits. It also enables Tort attorneys to sue the companies on behalf of labor unions such as IEEE-USA, PG, Bright Future Jobs, Zazona etc. In essence it makes the whole visa program unviable. American companies cannot participate in the visa program without letting the DOL and the Tort attorneys poking their noses in the daily functioning of Corporate America. Imagine which company will apply for H1B when you'll have ads airing on TV from Tort attorneys - 'Have you been displaced by H1B worker? Call 1-800-TORT-ATTORNEY'?
3) It has a whole gamut of so-called 'H1B/L1B worker protections'. Unless and until the complaining foreign worker's visa status/GC status is protected against employer retaliation, these provisions will remain only on paper, as foreigner workers facing the prospect of forced departure from the country will not complain - extra worker protections or not. They might as well scrap these provisions and save some trees in the process!
4) It retains the provision that H1B/L1 worker must be provided all originals for H1B, Green Card etc. However this will be moot, as there won't be many H1B/L1 workers left in the US to take the benefit. They would already have moved to their home countries, brining the salaries down in their home countries die to excess supply. This combined with technical enablers are going to make outsourcing HOT. I think it's a good time to invest in the stocks of these outsourcing companies. Their returns are going to increase exponentially in a year. I am not surprised, if these companies send a 'Thank You' note to Senators Durbin and Grassley for making such a windfall possible.
If this year only 44,000 visas were used after half a month, wait until this law passes. There will already 10,000 or less visa applications. On a short term basis wages will sky-rocket, when companies are already struggling to make the ends meet. This will definitely make the usage of technological innovations such as the ones mentioned in point 1 more appealing to the companies. In the long run Outsourcing will become cheaper and more attractive.
Faced with accute worker shortage and unreasonably high-salaries driven scarcity in an economy under recession, Companies will have only 3 options. 1) Announce bankruptcy and get out of business salvaging what they can 2) Leverage technology to do outsourcing circumventing the need for visas 3) Beg the government for another 'Stimulus' and more borrowed money from the Chinese to pay the salaries.
This will hit hard the humanitarian immigration for refugees, asylees etc. USCIS is a government department run on visa application fees. As H1B fee-base reduces US government will have to appropriate more funds to USCIS to keep these programs running. The cost of these programmes will increasingly be borne by the American tax-payer. As jobs keep getting outsourced at a much faster speed tax-base formed by these H1B/L1 workers will shift to other economies benefiting them, the government will have to increases the taxes to make up for the difference. No doubt this will increase the tax burden on an average American - even those who had nothing to do with H1B, pro- or against.
The day this law passes will be a great day for Outsourcing, and a sad day for America.
Please stop H1 Vs L1 discussion and do not support those who aim to divide this community on various visa types, categories, nationalities etc. Any further attempts by any member in this direction will result in ban. We would appreciate if you read the bill posted by IV and provide some analysis on its content on this thread.
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knowDOL
04-11 10:15 AM
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wandmaker
12-01 08:53 PM
how about being a monthly charge of some amount to be members who can post/respond. Others can read but not post. This way you will know exactly how many paid members you have and amount you can expect monthly
how about breaking this into multiple levels.
(1) account maintenance fee: charge $1/month for maintaining the account, members who paid this fee will have read access to all threads except IV core updates. IV can generate $25K a month with this option, this can cover day to day expenses.
(2) usage fee: charge $??/month for using the IV forums, members who paid this free can post and respond and read IV updates.
how about breaking this into multiple levels.
(1) account maintenance fee: charge $1/month for maintaining the account, members who paid this fee will have read access to all threads except IV core updates. IV can generate $25K a month with this option, this can cover day to day expenses.
(2) usage fee: charge $??/month for using the IV forums, members who paid this free can post and respond and read IV updates.
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add78
04-28 09:37 AM
It's not just 180 daysd before the application, it also includes 180 days AFTER the application.
This is the current section on 90 days period
(E)(i) In the case of an application described in clause (ii),
the employer did not displace and will not displace a United States
worker (as defined in paragraph (4)) employed by the employer within
the period beginning 90 days before and ending 90 days after the
date of filing of any visa petition supported by the application.
And the ammendment in the new bill
(1) NONDISPLACEMENT.--Subparagraph (E) of such section 212(n)(1) is amended--
(A) in clause (i)--
(i) by striking ``90 days'' both places it appears and inserting ``180 days'';
Yes, I got that already, I did not specify in my message as it is a "after the fact" requirement, i.e. I am not undermining its potential disastrous ramifications of having to force the layoff of already hired H1B if any other layoffs occur post the H1B hire, I was simply trying to focus my analysis on the impact BEFORE the H1B employee even be hired by employer or placed at client site. But yes, this applies AFTER 180 days as well.
This is the current section on 90 days period
(E)(i) In the case of an application described in clause (ii),
the employer did not displace and will not displace a United States
worker (as defined in paragraph (4)) employed by the employer within
the period beginning 90 days before and ending 90 days after the
date of filing of any visa petition supported by the application.
And the ammendment in the new bill
(1) NONDISPLACEMENT.--Subparagraph (E) of such section 212(n)(1) is amended--
(A) in clause (i)--
(i) by striking ``90 days'' both places it appears and inserting ``180 days'';
Yes, I got that already, I did not specify in my message as it is a "after the fact" requirement, i.e. I am not undermining its potential disastrous ramifications of having to force the layoff of already hired H1B if any other layoffs occur post the H1B hire, I was simply trying to focus my analysis on the impact BEFORE the H1B employee even be hired by employer or placed at client site. But yes, this applies AFTER 180 days as well.
EB3_SEP04
07-01 09:45 PM
I can think of following reasons in the order of relevence :
- We've got highest level of tolerence in the world as individuals and as society (probably that's why british could rule for 150 years :) ) and please don't shoot me, i'm not saying it's bad. just a fact.
- Feeling of insecurity because of being in a foreigner country or because of not being a part of majority.
- lack of knowledge of our rights/duties which sometimes causes guilty feeling when you think "I'm objecting to something that i agreed to whole heartedly, yesterday".
- going to court/authorities is considered bad in many culstures (as a famous Marathi saying goes "a wise man should not climb court's door-stpes ")
- "I don't have time", "I don't wan't the hassle" or "Jaane do" attitude.
- Is there anyone who still thinks along the lines of "maine aapka namak khaaya hai.." ? i don't think so.
- We've got highest level of tolerence in the world as individuals and as society (probably that's why british could rule for 150 years :) ) and please don't shoot me, i'm not saying it's bad. just a fact.
- Feeling of insecurity because of being in a foreigner country or because of not being a part of majority.
- lack of knowledge of our rights/duties which sometimes causes guilty feeling when you think "I'm objecting to something that i agreed to whole heartedly, yesterday".
- going to court/authorities is considered bad in many culstures (as a famous Marathi saying goes "a wise man should not climb court's door-stpes ")
- "I don't have time", "I don't wan't the hassle" or "Jaane do" attitude.
- Is there anyone who still thinks along the lines of "maine aapka namak khaaya hai.." ? i don't think so.
anzerraja
07-19 07:40 PM
There is a funding drive in this other thread towards reimbursing Aman's expenses.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10708
Could you please pledge an amount ?
Remember, most people are working hard and chances are that they may get fired for jobs doing this.
SO many IV members have been risking thier jobs to work hard on these things.
So many people have taken unpaid vacations, spent valuble time on this.
Kudos to Aman, Himanshu, Jwalant, and all other folks who are helping the community.
A lot of people are free riders, they come to IV for informartion only. A lot of people do not want to do anything, just because someone else is doing it for them. I have heard excuses from people saying "Don't you have anything else to do??? You will be fired from your job, I bet you, don't get disillusioned by these folks at IV, they cant move a stone"
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10708
Could you please pledge an amount ?
Remember, most people are working hard and chances are that they may get fired for jobs doing this.
SO many IV members have been risking thier jobs to work hard on these things.
So many people have taken unpaid vacations, spent valuble time on this.
Kudos to Aman, Himanshu, Jwalant, and all other folks who are helping the community.
A lot of people are free riders, they come to IV for informartion only. A lot of people do not want to do anything, just because someone else is doing it for them. I have heard excuses from people saying "Don't you have anything else to do??? You will be fired from your job, I bet you, don't get disillusioned by these folks at IV, they cant move a stone"
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